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 Post subject: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:37 am 
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At the Hawaii community we have a dog we inherited named Genki. He is an older dog (likely about 10 years old). I'm not sure of the breed but he is a large dog. He has been on a mostly raw meat diet for most of his life. Recently his diet has been changed to a processed kibble dry food and some fresh avocado and sometimes coconut. I'm not sure if he is getting much vegetable matter beyond that. The problem is he has some serious skin ailment. He gets these tumor like things growing from his skin and he smells really bad. Would anyone know what we can do to help him out and maybe clear up the bad smell? Do people fast dogs? Is there a special monodiet that he would eat and could allow his body to have more energy to heal the dis-ease?


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:27 pm 
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{{{Big Hugs}}} for you & Genki! The NFL guys used to brag about their dog(s) being all raw (fruits and veggies only, if I recall correctly.) They were big on avocado, as you may know, but a high-fat raw diet can lead to mucho problems in humans (been there, done that,) and I can imagine it does the same to animals. Seems like coconut and kibble would only exacerbate the problem.

If Genki isn't hunting up fresh raw meat for himself, what is the source of his supply? I would think if you placed him on a fast, he'd be out in the wild doing his thing, if the instincts are sharp enough. I just posted a note on 811rv and clearing up human skin issues: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66&p=178#p178 Hope someone else here can help with animal-specific experience.

I also have a friend (organically-inclined, but not raw) who uses Reiki and massage therapy in her Pet Animal Wellness Service; will ask her if she has some insights to share. Much Aloha ~


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:54 pm 
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Here ya' go, Ian! I asked my friend, Sarah, for her insights (forgot she's also a homeopath) and the following is from our exchange on Facebook. Btw, Sarah misunderstood the first part about Genki being part of the Hawaii raw vegan community, hence the bit about digestive tracts in her opening paragraph. Let me know if this is of use and keep us posted on Genki's recovery :)
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Yes, I really do have some advice regarding the dog with the skin condition. Most dogs do very poorly on a vegan diet, primarily because they don't have the length that primates do in their intestines that allows for digestion of vegetable matter. They are pretty much a straight pipe front to back. So, raw definately, but meat, eggs, bones, sinews and SOME veggie matter, but chopped really fine or put through a blender. Likely, he has a problem with yeast and his body is being digested by itself. I would recommend checking out Elixirs.com and put in his symptoms. They will tell you the best remedies to use for him. Hope this helps

Penne Davidson Ard Thanks, Sarah! I'll pass along that link to Ian. As he mentioned, Genki has been eating mostly raw meat (probably free range or wild game of some sort) with a bit of kibble to supplement as of late, along with small amounts of avocado and coconut. Although this started before adding supplements to Genki's raw meat diet, I can imagine the kibble (& bits) is exacerbating the condition, if it is indeed yeast-related.

Ian was considering the idea of a fast, but I can imagine that Genki's natural instincts would kick in, and he'd go a'hunting for food on his own unless he was penned. Have you ever tried this approach to clear up internal issues? Appreciate the excellent advice!

Penne Davidson Ard P.S. What keyword(s) did you use at Elixirs.com to find a remedy for yeast in canines? I came across an interesting article on the subject while googling to learn more: http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/s ... course.htm Linda recommends a product from First Choice Naturals, which seems holistically-inclined. Thanks! ~pda

Sarah E. Meyer Up at the top, in the symptom or key word box, put in body odor, itchy, oozing whatever his symptoms are. That will take you to the materia medica which is what gives the correct remedy. It will take some observation to determine what sets him off. Is he more itchy in the am or pm, is he more smelly when he's active or when he's still. Is he flatulent, etc. That will narrow the choices until you come up with the perfect remedy. Most of the remedies are good for people or animals, but some are made specifically for pets. Skin issues with pets are usually due to improper nutrition. We use ChickenSoup for the dog lover that is available from feed stores and pet shops. It is a kibble, but I supplement with meat bits and egg. One thing to be mindful of with kibble are the words "meat meal" and "human grade". You don't want anything with meat meal on the label. You don't even want to know what is in that, and we're not talking pork chops here. It's unconscionable what manufacturers put in "meat meal". Human grade means that everything has to be inspected and approved for human consumption.

Sarah E. Meyer Most kibble foods are so over processed that they actually are the culprit in most cases. The process by which they are manufactured eliminates the enzymes that actually break down the food in the digestive tract, so the dog only digests a part of his food - not much nutrition, lots of stool. Two really important sulphur amino acids are lost - cystein and methionine - vital for skin. Also denaturing the protein sources, meat or veggie renders the protein unusable - one reason that the protein numbers are so high on kibble packages when a dog really only needs about 10% usable protein in his diet. It isn't so much what KIND of protein, as much as what's done to the protein ie: denaturing,extrusion, high processing heat. Check out mercolahealthypets.com. Really good info

Penne Davidson Ard Merci beaucoup, mon amie :o)

Sarah E. Meyer Ever so welcome!


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:36 pm 
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Thanks for the info Penne. I will look into it more and see if there is anything we can do for poor Genki. I am not in Hawaii at the moment so I can only help when I get back there. I can recommend things for the others to do for him.

A bit more on him, he has been quite smelly for a long time. The problems with his diet go back a long time. When the 811 community first took over the property Genki was still on a raw meat scrap diet which was mostly leftovers from the butcher (including fish). I think he also ate some raw veggies. Now he is eating mostly processed food due to the cost. I think we need to try some of the natural remedies or some tweak in diet to help him out.


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Hi Ian! Here's a reply from my friend, Sarah:

-=- I am so sorry poor Genki still has his stinky problem. There are some homeopathic remedies that can certainly help clear him up and one that is
used successfully in the UK on mange and other skin issues is Arsenicum and Sulphur. Highly effective! Has anyone taken him to the vet for a skin
scrape to see what pathogens are eating at him. I suspect either yeast, in which case his diet needs to be adjusted or perhaps a fungus infection. (A
good way to self check that, albeit a little irritating is to put cortisone
on a spot. If it clears up then it probably is not fungus and is bacterial
in nature. If that is the case good old peroxide used as a daily sponge on would be beneficial. If it flares up, gets red and really itchy, its very likely a fungus and most likely a fungicide is in order. (Soapnuts to the rescue!). In either case, a good probiotic is indicated. I would suggest Kefir, since it renews itself, is inexpensive and dogs LOVE it. We use
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers dog food. It is designed for dogs with digestive and skin issues. -=-

Take care, Hoaloaha ~


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:53 am 
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Hi Ian

My dog Betty was dumped at my place 9 months ago. As I´m very poor I fed her on dumpster (skip) stuff from supermarkets - all animal but moastly cooked. In fact 80% roast chicken. She gradually became fatter and fatter and more and more lethargic. Two months aho I started feeding her raw meaty bones which butchers give away free here in Portugal (check out "The 12 myths of raw food" and go to the raw meaty bones link) and very quickly she lost weight and regained all her vitality.

As dogs are anatomically carnivores I do not feed her any veg matter. I´ve tried to but she won´t touch it unless very heavily disguised. On the raw meaty bones page it says something about dogs being unable to digest veg matter. So maybe just reverting to as near a natural diet as possible might solve Genki´s problem

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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
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I took a dog to a grooming salon and they gave her a bath in something that she was allergic to. She was an old dog and started scratching and kept scratching. Before long, she lost all her fur and winter was approaching. I took her to the vet. He gave her a shot of steroid and she was dead the next day!

Recently I put one of those spot insecticides on the back of a Pyrenees dog and she also developed an allergic reaction and scratched herself raw. I put creams and lotions and gave her a brushing with a flea comb as the infernal chemical did not even kill the fleas. Eventually she healed but I felt so horrible causing her so much pain when I was trying to alleviate her pain and misery.

She was on a diet of kibble and canned food. I do accept that dogs are carnivores and need meat. Since I am now 80/10/10, I have several grass-fed cattle to clear out of the freezer. I have been cooking that meat up for the dogs. You can tell from their reaction to the full meat that they are definitely carnivores! One of my Pyrenees is very curious about my new smell as she keeps giving me a complete sniff over every morning! I like my new smell too!


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
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I your dog is suffering the such decease and he smells very bad than you must consult with the Veterinarian and he will better advice you for his cure and do it fast because this can be change into the serous decease.


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 Post subject: Re: Help with skin issues for dog
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i have tried applying organic coconut oil to my dog's skin and it worked wonders! You should try it!

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